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PHAbymom: On behalf of Jeff Barringer and CatHobbyist I would like to welcome you all to our chat with Susan Little, DVM, Diplomate ABVP (Feline). Dr. Little is President of the The Winn Feline Foundation which is a non-profit organization, affiliated with The Cat Fanciers' Association, Inc., which supports health related studies into medical problems affecting cats. Projects funded by The Winn Feline Foundation have provided much of the information that is used every day in all aspects of feline veterinary medicine. PHAbymom: Dr. Susan Little received her BSc from Dalhousie University, Nova Scotia, Canada and her DVM from the Ontario Veterinary College, University of Guelph, Ontario, Canada. She has been in feline practice for over 10 years and achieved specialty board certification in 1997. PHAbymom: Dr. Little bred and exhibited pedigreed cats in Canada and the United States for 15 years. She currently sits on the Health Committee of the Cat Fanciers' Association, the world's largest pedigreed cat registry, and sits on the board of the Winn Feline Foundation. She also works with a group of volunteers on a trap/test/vaccinate/release program for feral cats in the Ottawa area. She writes and lectures extensively on pedigreed cat health issues for the public as well as for veterinarians and breeders. PHAbymom: Dr. Little has some prepared information after which she will take questions. Please refrain from chatting during the presentation. If you have a question or a comment, please put a "?" or "!" to the screen and you will be called on in turn. Thank you all for attending our 8th Annual Chat Week Event. PHAbymom: DrSusan,. the floor is yours drsusan: Good Evening everyone! As President of the Winn Feline Foundation, I am very pleased to have this opportunity to chat with you about Winn. drsusan: Good Evening everyone! As President of the Winn Feline Foundation, I am very pleased to have this opportunity to chat with you about Winn. drsusan: First, I'm going to spend some time giving you background information about Winn. Then I'll tell you about the 2005 grant awards just announced this week! I'll pause periodically and ask for any questions. drsusan: The domestic cat has been closely associated with mankind for centuries, enriching the lives of those who appreciate their affectionate and dignified nature. It seems only proper that we address the illnesses that many cats suffer. The goal of the Winn Feline Foundation is to help all cats live longer and healthier lives. drsusan: Winn was founded by the Cat Fanciers Association (CFA) in 1968 to create a source of funding for medical studies to improve the health and well-being of cats. The Foundation was named in honor of CFA's long-time attorney, Robert H. Winn. Winn is fortunate to have operational support from The Cat Fanciers Association. drsusan: Winn Foundation grants have helped advance veterinary knowledge in all areas of feline health. Since its inception, about $3 million dollars has been awarded by the Foundation for scientific studies, encouraging veterinarians to focus their attention on the needs of cats. drsusan: Proposals for feline health studies are accepted twice a year. Winn's grant review panel selects projects for funding based on criteria that include scientific merit, value to cats, clinical relevancy, and soundness of the design and budget. Humane treatment of any participating animals is paramount. drsusan: Technical advisers who assist in the proposal selection process are prominent veterinarians drawn from a broad spectrum of the scientific community, including both clinicians and researchers. drsusan: Although we are interested in anything to do with feline health, Winn has a special interest in certain feline diseases. Steve Dale, a person many of you know, and someone I hold in great respect, established the Ricky Fund for hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) research in 2003. HCM is the most common heart disease of cats. drsusan: Since its inception, the Ricky Fund has provided over $60,000 to researchers to study HCM. Recently, Dr. Kate Meurs and Dr. Mark Kittleson announced their Winn-funded research has paid off. They identified a mutation causing HCM in Maine Coon cats and a simple DNA test has been developed. drsusan: Winn is continuing to fund HCM research in all areas, including effective tests and treatments. You can read more about the Ricky Fund at: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ricky-fund.html drsusan: Winn has always had a special interest in FIP, having funded many projects over the years. At the Cat Writers' Assoc. Conference in November 2004, Winn announced the creation of Bria's Fund for FIP Research. Bria was a Birman kitten owned by Susan Gingrich. Susan is a sister of Newt Gingrich. drsusan: Sadly, Susan and her family lost Bria to FIP. Susan is determined to fund research into this tragic disease, and with her help, I am sure Winn can continue to help researchers move ahead with our knowledge about FIP. You can read more about Bria's Fund at: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/bria-fund.html drsusan: I'll pause now for any questions. Then we'll talk about Winn's newly funded research. GA PHCatByte: nyc, you had a question? NYC_NYIfan: I have a cat who came to me (adopted as an adult; former human died) with elevated ALT, finally got ALT down to normal. Don't know what caused the problem; don't know much at all about her except that she (the late human) was in and out of hospital in her last months. One interesting thing was that Cathy finally had a normal ALT reading her first visit after having bladderstones removed. Could there be a connection? drsusan: ALT is a liver enzyme, but it can be elevated due to many different medical conditions in the cat, not just liver disease NYC_NYIfan: Or could the ALT problems be due to her being fed irregularly during her humans' hospitalizations? drsusan: For example, cats with intestinal disease or thyroid disease can have increased ALT levels ... Deerhounds: ? drsusan: For the cat you describe, there was probably some underlying reason, but the good news is that the ALT went back to normal drsusan: GA NYC_NYIfan: thanks g/a PHCatByte: deerhounds, you're up! Deerhounds: Dr. Little, I'm so thrilled you are here. I had a question about some of the research I saw mentioned on the Winn site, about "A new method for control of pain in cats" Deerhounds: can you say more about that? GA PHMeowzers: ? drsusan: Winn has funded several projects on pain control in cats. Which year were you looking at? I'll look up the study. GA Deerhounds: Let me look it up and see ...in general it's a subject I'm very interested in. drsusan: OK, any other Q? GA PHCatByte: meowzers, you had a question? PHMeowzers: Yes -- thank you Munrkr: ? islandrn_nr: ? PHMeowzers: The bird flu that recently was in the news crossing over to a domestic cat -- PHAbymom: I'd like to introduce one of our guest speakers from earlier this week, Steve Dale - Thank you for coming. PHMeowzers: Is there any research being done on a vaccine for cats ? drsusan: Steve, welcome. But no emu questions, please :-) PHMeowzers: I mean against the Bird Flu --- PHMeowzers: Sorry -- trying to type fast here :) drsusan: As to the bird flu and cats ... PHMeowzers: Yes.... drsusan: we know that cats can be infected, but that infection is very uncommon ..... drsusan: Cat to cat transmission is probably very rare ... drsusan: Given the rarity of the disease so far, I do not know of any vaccine company working on a vaccine for cats right now. drsusan: GA PHMeowzers: But would this not be a major problem in outdoor cats as the bird flu spreads? drsusan: In Europe, where bird flu has been spreading, reports of infected cats have been very rare .... drsusan: Even in Asia, reports of infected cats have been rare... PHMeowzers: Okay -- Thank You -- drsusan: While this virus can infect cats, it probably is not easy for the virus to do ... PHMeowzers: GA PHCatByte: munrkr, your question, please? drsusan: and so I wouldn't expect any widespread problems. PHAbymom: ? drsusan: GA Deerhounds: ? Munrkr: thank you. Recently I lost a 16 year old cat to hyper T.. my questiuon is do they ahve any idea why cats tend to become hyper T as they age whereas humans and canines are more likely to become hypo T? Cassie_nr: ? drsusan: Ahh, hyperthyroidism is a very interesting subject ... drsusan: Winn has funded a study in 2005 ... drsusan: looking at nutritional and environmental causes for hyperT4 in cats ... drsusan: The study is being done at the U. of Pennsylvania, and we eagerly await the results. GA Munrkr: Do they think that there is something that the owners do that make the cats more prone to this? ga drsusan: It may be that there is something in what we feed, or in the packaging, particularly certain types of cans ... drsusan: mainly the pop-top cans (with the pull ring )... drsusan: As they are lined with a certain type of preservative ... NYC_NYIfan: ? drsusan: that might interfere with thyroid hormone ... drsusan: But there could be genetic reasons or environmental reasons too... drsusan: we just don't know yet, but hopefully the research Winn funded will help with some answers. GA PHCatByte: islandrn, you're next! Munrkr: thank you so much ga NYC_NYIfan: Is there any similarity with humans needing thyroid meds decreased as metabolism slows down and they don't need as much thyroxine in their system as they did when they were younger? g/a islandrn_nr: Thanks. I was wondering how prevalent hip dysplasia is becoming in cats, namely the Bengal. And is there any research being done? drsusan: NYC first: Humans get HYPOthyroidism (low thyroid levels) ... drsusan: whereas cats get HYPERthyroidism (high thyroid levels). Really two different diseases. drsusan: As to Bengals and hip dysplasia ... drsusan: I don't know of any published studies looking at prevalence in this breed ... drsusan: Winn has not received any research proposals in this area ... fancidots_nr: ? drsusan: sadly I think there was a lot of interest in it a few years ago ... drsusan: especially at the U. of Pennsylvania, but now that seems to have died out. GA PHCatByte: abymom, you're up! PHAbymom: First I am thrilled to hear about the Bria Fund. I've also lost a dear cat to FIP - a 9 year old aby. What about vaccines or studies on Lyme Disease and West Nile in cats? islandrn_nr: I hear on the bengal lists that it's a problem, not uncommon, bu t then when I look at OFA, very few have been done drsusan: Lyme disease and West Nile are not huge problems in cats ... drsusan: I've never seen a cat with Lyme disease ... drsusan: West Nile can infect cats, we know because cats can have antibodies against the virus ... drsusan: but cats don't seem to get ill from WNV, so there would be little interest in the disease. At least so far. drsusan: As to Bengals and HD ... drsusan: OFA is a very skewed look at what screening for HD goes on .... drsusan: It is a great database, but it is only a small snapshot of what cats get screened ... drsusan: and it is weighted toward good results ... drsusan: Breeders do need to be educated about HD, and learn to ask their vets to do the x-ray screening. GA, whoever is next. PHCatByte: cassie, you have a question? Cassie_nr: I'm wondering about feline herpes virus and any research or treatment news about that? I have a cat who has suffered chronically from it. The vets are getting somewhat pessimistic. She was a shelter rescue. drsusan: Yes, Winn has funded herpes research, and in just a moment, I'll tell you all about ... drsusan: the 2006 grant awards, and you'll see a project on herpesvirus in there. Stay tuned! GA, next PHCatByte: fancidots, you have a question for dr little? NYC_NYIfan: ? MunchieScrunchie: ? fancidots_nr: I was wondering if there are "visible" signs of Hip Displasia-- like knock kneed in back legs? drsusan: There may be no visible signs of HD because most cats are mildly affected and because ... drsusan: they don't have the same athletic life as dogs, and they are smaller than dogs ... drsusan: If HD is severe and arthritis sets in, then the cat may have certain signs, such as ... drsusan: a crouching gait, difficulty with stairs and jumping, pain when hindquarters are touched, etc. Some cats even ... drsusan: have constipation as their presenting sign because they find it hurts to squat .. drsusan: in the litterbox, so it is painful to defecate. drsusan: GA, next PHCatByte: nyc, your turn! NYC_NYIfan: My other cat came from a shelter. Shortly after I adopted him, he started to lose weight fast, went from 13.4# to just over 9# (when he started to regain the weight). Had many tests done that showed he had a thickened large intestine and an overgrowth of gut flora. Can the change to a new home cause this? He's up to 10# now (bottom of what my vet says is his normal range) drsusan: With his clinical signs, I would wonder if he has inflammatory bowel disease ... drsusan: was an endoscopy and biopsy done? other tests could include ... drsusan: a feline TLI/PLI (pancreatic function tests) and cobalamin and folate (often low in intestinal disease) ... drsusan: Many cats with IBD have only weight loss as their clinical sign , whereas ... NYC_NYIfan: No ... he had a visit to a specialist who noticed a heart problem; echo showed slight regurgitation drsusan: other cats may have vomiting or diarrhea NYC_NYIfan: Had the feline TLI, folate was high drsusan: I'd talk to the vet in charge about endoscopy/biopsy since ... NYC_NYIfan: He had only one diarrhea episode, which my other cat also contracted, went a week drsusan: abnormalities were noted in the intestinal tract. drsusan: GA, next. PHCatByte: munchie, your question? NYC_NYIfan: thanks g/a Steph2_nr: ? MunchieScrunchie: What studies have been done for Feline IBD? I have a 12 yr old recently dx'd via endoscopic biopsy. However, the vet is concerned she might have lymphoma rather than IBD. The prescription foods seem to be causing more problems. Have the studies found any foods better than others? MunchieScrunchie: g/a drsusan: Winn has funded several studies in the last few years ... drsusan: that are looking at IBD, and how to differentiate it from lymphoma since .. PetWorld_nr: I want to comment more than question. And for a change, being dead serious . . . I know of NO one more committed to benefitng feline health than Susan Little....To that end, she has a book coming out on breeding. . . Also, a second book to be released shortly thereafter. Also, thanks to Christie for her coaching assistance to get me through my chat a few days ago. Your answer about HP also points to a cat who say has missed the box - people assume behavioral, but ...maybe it isn't - or has extended into a behavioral problem, it's where behavioral issues and medicine intersect. Oh, the Winn website.... drsusan: it can be a hard call in some cases. The type of therapy will also depend on the diagnosis. See the winn website ... MunchieScrunchie: I definitely will, Dr. Susan. Thank you. g/a drsusan: at www.winnfelinehealth.org for details on these studies. drsusan: The only person I know who cares more about cats than me ... drsusan: is my friend Steve. I am honoured to work for him, and to have him as my personal publicist!! Thank you Steve. drsusan: GA, next Deerhounds: Steve, did you want to say anything more? Deerhounds: if so, please go ahead! Deerhounds: <---PHChristy in civvies tonight Deerhounds: Steve, please go ahead :) drsusan: I don't think he needs much encouragement ... Deerhounds: Steve Dale=PetWorld Deerhounds: LOL PetWorld_nr: I just want to say I'm sorry to have interruped....I ruined Dr. Susan's chat, her life....Sorry. I dd not mean to click send. Though I did mean what I said. PHAbymom: Steph you're next drsusan: Steve, you have not ruined my life but you have improved my dancing ! Deerhounds: LOL Deerhounds: Folks, it looks like we have had a partial room dump... just sit tight while everyone comes back PHAbymom: Oh dear... .Looks like a node crashed somewhere PetWorld_nr: See - it's something I said. NYC_NYIfan: Maybe the room has IBD drsusan: OK, while we wait, I'll also say I do not know anyone who knows more about emus than Steve Dale. PHChristy: There, now I'm here with all my powers Steph3_nr: I got kicked out and am back as Steph 3 ... my question: I remember reading about a WInn study about a blood marker (cardiac troponin ?) that would indicate heart disease in a cat by a blood test. Even if it isn't specific to HCM, would it be a means of identifying cats that may have HCM? I can't remember the name of the Winn study but remember that you wrote an update about it, so perhaps you know what I'm refering to. Any more news? PHKitkat: lol Christy drsusan: The study on biochemical markers for heart disease in cats ... drsusan: was funded for several years, it was by Dr. Solter and his colleagues ... drsusan: The study has been completed, and several scientific publications came of it..... drsusan: Winn will write up a report and make it available on our website .... drsusan: Winn has a great need for writers who can take veterinary and technical information from our researchers ... NYC_NYIfan: ? drsusan: and turn it into easily understandable articles for the public ... drsusan: so, if you know anyone who'd like to volunteer and help us ... drsusan: get the information from these studies written and disseminated ... drsusan: please let me know! I've written most of our articles .. drsusan: but I find I am only one person. Drat ! drsusan: GA, next fancidots_nr: ? PHCatByte: dr susan, i'm wondering if there's anything new on FIV or FeLV? drsusan: Well, there has been new research for these viruses ... drsusan: mostly for FIV. I have a great interest in these viruses.. drsusan: and I spend a lot of time on the road talking to vets about testing, treatment, and vaccination. If you have a specific Q, I'd be happy to answer. GA PHCatByte: too many to go into here! i'll check out the site.... ga PHCatByte: nyc, your question! NYC_NYIfan: What is the latest research on FUS, especially as it occurs in females with (struvite) stones? drsusan: Struvite stones make up about 50% or a bit less of the stones we see ... drsusan: in both male and female cats. Diet and water intake are the major factors ... staffordmom: ? drsusan: These cats are best managed with only canned food (no dry) and a diet designed to prevent struvite formation. drsusan: I'd like to take a few minutes now ... drsusan: and tell you all about Winn's new research, just funded. Then we can do more Q&A, OK? PHAbymom: Go right ahead :-) drsusan: The 2006 grant awards from Winn have just been announced this week. This is news hot off the press, and I'm happy to be able to share it with you tonight. Eleven studies were funded for a total of over $131,000. drsusan: Here are the 11 projects: drsusan: Improving our knowledge of the feline genome Targeted gene mapping in gaps of the feline/human comparative map William Murphy, PhD; Terje Raudsepp, MSc, PhD; Bhanu Chowdhary, MVSc, PhD. Texas A&M University drsusan: 2) A new way to assess critically ill cats: Skin CO2 and O2 values and venous blood gas information in critically ill cats Beth Streeter, DVM, DACVECC; Piper Wall, DVM, PhD. Iowa State University and Iowa Methodist Medical Center drsusan: 3) A new medication to treat cats with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy: A prospective randomized controlled investigation of the use of carvedilol in cats with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Meg Sleeper DVM, DACVIM; Nick Russell, BVSc, MVS, MACVSc. University of Pennsylvania drsusan: 4) A new topical eye medication for feline herpesvirus infection: Is cidofovir effective against feline herpesvirus infection? Lynne Sandmeyer, DVM, DVSc, DACVO; Dorothee Bienzle, DVM, PhD, DACVP; Joseph Wolfer, DVM, DACVO. Western College of Veterinary Medicine and University of Guelph drsusan: 5) Investigation of an inherited form of blindness in Persians: Heritable progressive retinal atrophy in Persians Leslie Lyons, PhD. University of California, Davis drsusan: 6) Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy in Ragdolls: Molecular evaluation of the feline myosin binding protein C gene in Ragdoll cats with familial hypertrophic cardiomyopathy Kathryn M. Meurs, DVM, PhD, DACVIM; Mark D. Kittleson, DVM, PhD, DACVIM. Washington State University and University of California, Davis This study was partially funded by the efforts of many Ragdoll breeders drsusan: 7) Do dietary trans-fatty acids play a role in feline diabetes?: Effect of dietary trans-fatty acids on serum insulin in cats Patricia A. Schenck, DVM, PhD; Sarah K. Abood, DVM, PhD. Michigan State University drsusan: 8) Are changes in bone density associated with high blood calcium in cats?: Bone dynamics in cats with idiopathic hypercalcemia Dennis J. Chew, DVM, DACVIM; Kelly Cairns, DVM. The Ohio State University drsusan: 9) What is the relationship between hyperthyroidism and liver disease in cats?: Characterization of hepatic disease and function in hyperthyroid cats with persistently high serum alanine aminotransferase (ALT) levels post I-131 treatment. Mark E. Peterson, DVM, PhD, DACVIM; Leyenda Harley, DVM and others. The Animal Medical Center, New York drsusan: 10) Do bacterial infections play a role in some liver diseases of cats?: Prospective evaluation for bacterial infection in hepatic tissue and bile of cats with diffuse hepatobiliary disease Mark P. Rondeau, DVM, DACVIM; Megan J. Morgan, VMD and others. University of Pennsylvania drsusan: And last but not least .. drsusan: 11) Evaluation of a new drug for treatment of chronic renal failure in cats: Control of renal secondary hyperparathyroidism in cats with chronic renal failure: a new approach using calcimimetic drugs Thomas K. Graves, DVM, PhD, DACVIM; Melissa R. Riensche, DVM. University of Illinois drsusan: I hope you find these new studies interesting ... drsusan: and look forward to the results as eagerly as we do at Winn ... drsusan: and realize that we can only fund studies such as these and the hundreds of others ... drsusan: we've funded over the years with your help ... drsusan: Winn depends on the generous donations from cat lovers everywhere .. drsusan: to help us do our work, no matter how big or small the donation ... drsusan: Donations to the Winn Feline Foundation may be designated for one of the following areas: drsusan: General donationfor any health project approved by the Board of Directors; these donations may be made simply for the love of cats, or they may be: A Memorial in the name of a deceased cat or individual; In Honor of a living cat, individual, or judges at a club's show; drsusan: Stipulated donation for use in a specific disease area or for a specific project; drsusan: Endowment fund donation maintained as a perpetual remembrance that generates ongoing support for the Foundation; drsusan: Bequests in a will or trust to The Winn Feline Foundation - ensuring continuing contributions to the health of cats. drsusan: The Winn Feline Foundation is exempt from Federal Income Tax under Section 501(C)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. Accordingly, contributions to the Foundation may be deductible for Federal income, gift, and state tax purposes. drsusan: Phew, good thing I type fast .... drsusan: OK, now I'd be happy to answer any other questions you have. GA, next PHCatByte: fancidots, you have a question? fancidots_nr: I am currently "medicating" my second "experience" with HCM in rescue pet cats. I also have some experience in technical writing. I'd be willing to help with putting some of the work into more "user friendly" terms, if my help would be welcomed. drsusan: Wonderful, Please email me and we'll chat. Winn would appreciate the help. fancidots_nr: thanks! PHCatByte: staffordmom, your question, please staffordmom: how long on average are cats living to now? drsusan: A cat is considered geriatric ... drsusan: at about 8-10 years of age ... drsusan: many cats live well past ten years, .... drsusan: and in my practice, I have many patients around 15 yrs old ... drsusan: even quite a few between 15 and 20 years ... drsusan: with the benefits of good nutrition, good health care, drsusan: and living indoors away from hazards, drsusan: owners should expect their cats to live to at least age 10 drsusan: all things being equal. GA, next PHCatByte: petworld, you're up! drsusan: Oh no... PetWorld_nr: oh..... drsusan: Here comes the emu Q ... PetWorld_nr: Well two things.... drsusan: only two? PetWorld_nr: We can ask Dr. Susan about her next book drsusan: Which one would that be? PetWorld_nr: Also - a comment not a question. Winn needs all help - for sure - and every penny counts.... PetWorld_nr: That is seriously for sure...but PetWorld_nr: Truly Winn is at the point now where some corporate $$$ would be great. I know the research for $$$ we've PHAbymom: Well, we have a very excellent bookstore on CatHobbyist... please make sure we get the name and number so we can list it! PHMeowzers: What is the website for the winn foundation? PHMeowzers: So we can all make a nice fat donation! PHAbymom: http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ PetWorld_nr: raised for the Ricky Fun has mattered...but research can cost so much. Just a plea to find a way to get corporate involved. www.wiinnfelinehealth.org drsusan: Steve is right ... drsusan: Winn is working on some corporate partnerships... PetWorld_nr: And I'm sorry for hitting the send button in error. drsusan: and I hope to be able to have some news on that front later this year. GA PHCatByte: is there anyway for owners to get their pets involved in research? there's a LARGE group of FeLV and FIV catslaves who would love to help out in non-invasive ways to increase knowledge of these conditions.... PetWorld_nr: Dr. Little knows I would never interrupt her...well...maybe not.GA PHAbymom: Well perhaps some of the pet food companies that have been putting dyes and junk into our cats should cough up some big bucks drsusan: As to FeLV and FIV research .... drsusan: yes, Winn has funded research in this area that involved blood samples from infected cats .... drsusan: but sadly, there are so many infected cats, that getting the samples ... drsusan: was not hard at all. Other times our researchers might be looking ... drsusan: for patients with certain disease or problems ... drsusan: and there are ways that Winn and the researchers ... drsusan: publicize this need through veterinary channels to get the word out. Patient recruitment ../ drsusan: can be a real challenge for some studies though, so if you are ever ... drsusan: asked to have your cat participate in a study ... drsusan: please help. It is usually something simple, like a blood sample, ... drsusan: or an x-ray, or the like. Researchers need help. GA PHCatByte: i know that i've asked my vets about finding out who is doing research on what around the country, and they've never really known just where to send me for info on ongoing projects...... drsusan: A great resource for vets is the Veterinary Information Network (www.vin.com) ... drsusan: I am one of the feline consultants for VIN, and it is the best resource for anything vets need. I can't say enough about it. Tell your vet.... drsusan: that he/she needs to become a member. Their professional life will change... drsusan: for the better! GA PHAbymom: We used to be the community side of vin, Dr. Little PHCatByte: there's only a couple of VIN vets in my area..... drsusan: Tell your vet you know about VIN, and you know other vets are using this great resource .. drsusan: and they are missing out by not joining! GA PHCatByte: oh, my vet knows i was a hostie there, and STILL hasn't joined! drsusan: I'd like to tell everyone about two great websites for cats ... drsusan: that you may or may not know about: PHAbymom: Dr. Little, thank you so much for your information and participation. I've learned a lot and I am sure the others have as well. drsusan: one is the Great Cat Watch for Wellness Sake at: drsusan: www.catwellness.org drsusan: and the other is the Indoor Cat Initiative at: drsusan: www.indoorcat.org drsusan: Thank you all for being here tonight ... PHAbymom: As a former breeder and exhibitor I have always endorsed contributions to Winn Foundation. drsusan: and learning a bit about Winn ... drsusan: don't hesitate to contact me if I can be of any assistance. I've enjoyed the chat ... drsusan: and I'm thankful I learned to type in high school! PHAbymom: Thank you so much for your time! PHMeowzers: Thank you Dr. Little -- Your name is well known on the cat lists I belong to. We appreciate your being here very much! PHKitkat: Thanks for being here, Dr. Little! PHCatByte: thank you SO much, dr little! fancidots_nr: I will e-mail you soon, Dr. Susan :) Again, THANKS ! PHAbymom: Steve, thank you for coming, too Midask9: thank you! drsusan: Yes, Steve, thanks for dropping in. It wouldn't be the same without you! drsusan: Thanks everyone, I must log off now. Busy day in the clinic tomorrow. Good night!
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